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Translation of Hibaru's Theme[edit source]

It seems like the translation of Hibaru's theme oscillates between 'Dime-a-Dozen Money Builder' and 'Dirt Cheap Money Builder.' With that in mind, I think it would be helpful to briefly have a look at the Japanese title (二束三文マネービルダー) and the various nuances it has in it.

The first part is 二束三文. According to this site (http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/167166/meaning/m0u/) it means the following: "数量が多くても、値段がごく安いこと。また、ひどく安い値段。" So basically, it can be translated as either 'dirt cheap' or 'dime-a-dozen.' However, the two terms have vastly different meanings in English. (Speaking from my own personal experience here) you'd never really refer to a person as 'dirt cheap,' but you would refer to an item as being dirt cheap. You can call someone cheap, but that means that they don't like spending money. 'Dime-a-dozen' is also mainly used for objects, but you could use it for people, too - saying something like "that kind of person is a dime-a-dozen around here."

Moving onto the second part, マネービルダー. This comes from the Japanese 'wasei-Eigo' term マネービル. 'Wasei-Eigo' refers to terms that look like they come from English expressions, but actually don't. In this case, it looks like it should be translated as 'money builder,' but it actually shouldn't, since you'd never call someone a 'money builder' in English (speaking from personal experience here, please let me know if this term is in common usage where you live). A more natural term is 'moneymaking,' meaning that マネービルダー would become 'moneymaker.' It's kind of similar to translating the noun アレンジ to 'arrange' when it's really equivalent to the English word 'arrangement.' 'Arrange' should only ever be used as a verb.

With that in mind, I'd like to propose that the translation of 二束三文マネービルダー be fixed as 'Dime-a-Dozen Moneymaker'. Please let me know what you think - there's a bit of room for discussion regarding the first term, though I think 'dime-a-dozen' is more appropriate since it can actually be used to describe people. Releska (talk) 05:56, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't know that much Japanese, but I've done some research where I'm convinced that 二束三文 seems better with 'Dirt Cheap'. Jisho and Wiktionary seems to strongly suggest 'dirt cheap' as the translation. I've never really heard 'dime-a-dozen' before, but from what I can understand, both the terms don't exactly have the same meaning: 'dirt cheap' means something extremely cheap, while 'dime-a-dozen' means something common, but of no particular value. I'm getting the idea that I've heard someone being called 'dirt cheap' before, although I'm not certain.
As for 'マネービルダー', the way you describe it seems to make sense: I wasn't able to find much on, but 'マネービル' was shown to be on Jisho giving the meaning 'moneymaking'. I can't really say that I've heard the phrase 'money builder' before, so 'moneymaker' could be a better translation. However, I'm not entirely sure about all this, so I'd prefer it if someone with better Japanese to also give some explanation. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 03:45, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Releska on both counts. 二束三文 literally reads as "two bushels (for) three mon". The dictionaries aren't wrong in simplifying it to 'dirt cheap'-- the two English phrases aren't very different at all, if you ask me-- but 'dime-a-dozen' is basically a one-to-one match for the Japanese etymology. I'd go with that.
As for the second point, yeah, 'moneymaker' is definitely the natural English phrase there. (also thanks for posting this bc it prompted me to actually look up マネービル when i hadn't before lol) Gilde (talk) 05:10, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Lumen's Theme - "Accelerator" or "Accel"?[edit source]

So err... There's seems to be a bit of conflict between whether Lumen's theme should be translated as "Accelerator" or "Accel". I'm all for "Accelerator" mainly for two reasons:

  1. JynX confirmed it explicitly in the first interview.
  2. "アクセル" is a short-form only in Japanese. As far as I'm aware, shortening words written in katakana is a common thing in Japanese. I've also never heard of "accel" in English.

I'd wanna hear other people's opinions before a conclusion is made. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 02:02, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Both jisho.org and romajidesu.com list "Accelerator" as the translation for "アクセル". If you want to use a slightly less reliable source as backup to those as well, so does Google Translate.
In any case, "Accel" isn't even really a word in English, whether as a shorthand or a proper word. The only dictionary definition it has is a shorthand for "Accelerando", a musical term. At best, urban dictionary lists it as a shorthand for "Acceleration", and given the lack of support it has on the site (Nineteen in support), it's not accurate.
Finally, even if we do suppose that "Accel" is a valid shorthand (even though I just outlined why it isn't), "Accel" is ambiguous in it's meaning. It could be a shorthand for "Accelerator", "Acceleration", "Accelerate", "Accelerant" or any other word derived from "Accelerate".
By all rights, the proper translation is "Accelerator" --Doppelotter (talk) 02:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
It should be kept as "Accelerator", as it's been specifically confirmed as such in the first interview with JynX. Hopefully the anonymous editor who had been trying to change it will see this. Not really sure why this became such a problem. Genny (talk) 03:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Simply put, "accel" is not a word in English. Nobody uses it like that. Using it in the theme name makes even less sense than accelerator. If JynX had wanted it to be accel, he would have said so in the interview, but he explicitly stated accelerator. I honestly don't understand why we even have to have this discussion in the first place. ――Popfan (talk/contribs) 05:08, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

You guys are funny. If I'm about to seem frustrated, by the way, it's because an extremely minor typographical error is being challenged for some really weird reasons.

JynX said "Accelerator" because you literally asked them if it was "Axel" or "Accelerator". You actually wrote these words with Latin letters, and that's exactly what they used in return.

It is very common to shorten "accelerator" to "accel", in both languages, and it mystifies me that we're actually debating over whether or not a shorthand is valid. It's a shorthand. That shorthand was used. When you look up the definition of a shorthand, you get the original word. Every language is like this. Please tell me I'm not the only one that understands these things? It doesn't matter whether it's a "proper word in English", that's not even the topic, and that topic could get into contractions and slang and all that good stuff. Don't get into that topic.

If JynX wanted to write the word "accelerator" in katakana, nothing is stopping them from doing so. That word is spelled either アクセラレータ or アクセラレーター depending on the mood, I guess. The common form is アクセラレーター, and that makes more sense compared to what standards of importing foreign words there are.

Oh, and by the way, I find it hilarious that I'm being told "accel isn't a proper word" when you guys were totally okay with using memes like "snek" as if that was perfectly acceptable dialogue. It's not a proper word in English, guys!!! Proper garbage is what this topic is. 45.36.236.209 16:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Care to cite any sources that back up your claim that "accel" is a valid and commonly-used shorthand for "accelerator" in the English language? Because as far as I am concerned, Merriam-Webster says it's a shorthand for "accelerando" (which is a musical term and has nothing to do with gas pedals), as does Dictionary.com, Collins, The Free Dictionary... Need I say more?
Furthermore, it's incredibly insulting to JynX's intelligence to insinuate that he wouldn't take a third option if there was one. Perhaps show at least a modicum of respect instead of throwing a childish temper tantrum and resorting to ad hominems just because your edits are facing opposition and you don't have any winning arguments. ――Popfan (talk/contribs) 19:01, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
"Accel" isn't a shorthand for "Accelerator" and unless we have any definitive sources I see no reason why to have it as such.
Also, if you had happened to be paying attention to the edits, the "Snek" line had been reverted back to "Snake", and even if it was relevant to this issue exactly I'd wonder why you hadn't changed it yourself, and not to mention that if this topic really is "proper garbage" to you I wouldn't see why you had to start a miniature edit-war. Genny (talk) 19:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Please don't "fix" the indents, thanks. There's a reason I restarted the indents.
How do you really expect me to source a bit of English? Do you honestly believe that you can just source dictionaries, which are often accused of being outmoded in the first place? Also, why does that even matter? This isn't about English, it's about Japanese.
Are you actually accusing me of insulting JynX's intelligence? Are you actually doing this? Do you really not understand what you're arguing for here?
"snek" never would have been reverted if it wasn't for me, and I don't believe otherwise for a second. I'm not gloating or anything when I say this; around here, stuff sticks and gets ignored until the same person comes back to change it... usually the same small handful of people.
Which is a bit of a problem, by the way. This wiki is more or less operated by the same small handful of people. So it's really worrying whenever stuff like this happens, because they can mirror some nonsense about belittling JynX's intelligence (what is actually wrong with you) all day and I just have to put up with that.
Oh for fuck's sake, that was a stupid Suzumi joke. Seriously? You didn't pick up on that?
I've thought for quite some time that the Len'en fanbase is kinda... rotten. Stuff like this is why. No, not some debate over whether it's accel or accelerator, but the absolute shitslinging seen above.
So, back to the topic: you're wrong. You're wrong because you make too many completely unnecessary assumptions, and your assumptions don't really check out. Japanese has a transcription for "accelerator" and for "accel". The first isn't used here, but the second is. There's no right or reason at all to be using anything except what JynX actually wrote down, and it's disrespectful to go against this. Please stop bringing up the interview, because I've already explained the interview pretty fucking clearly and you ignored it as "insulting" JynX somehow. I just can't get over this huge leap in logic, how in the hell do you say something so vile out of nowhere like that?
You do what you want with your wiki, but that's the fact. 45.36.236.209 20:48, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
If you really think that poorly about this place then just kindly leave instead of continuing on frustrating yourself over small matters that don't have any meaning! We can keep our "incorrect" translation, please and thank you. You're needlessly turning this from a discussion about translations to whatever is going on now, and no amount of completely unneeded foul language and out-of-nowhere insulting of the fanbase will manage to get us to take you seriously.
Oh, and about that interview. Shorthand or not, it's straight up stated to be "Accelerator". If JynX intended it to be "Accel", they would have put "accel". You can't really twist that to a supposed shorthand. Genny (talk) 20:59, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
Anon... You're making your status in the discussion even worse as the discussion continues. It's very obvious at this point it should be "accelerator". It seems like you are going in circles in trying to express your argument, and... It's not doing you any favours. How can people be wrong when they've shown evidence that's in black and white? Therefore, please don't let the edit-war continue by reverting it back to "accel" for reasons mentioned in the discussion, and please don't go into insulting other matters when they have nothing to do with this discussion. Otherwise, further action shall be taken. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:13, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
I like how I can outright state "I'm more worried about your behavior than I am about the topic anymore" and you just keep going on about how much I supposedly care about the topic.
I also really like how you can misinterpret what JynX wrote, twice, to prove a really busted point. JynX literally wrote "Accel" in the game". They wrote "Accelerator" in the interview because you asked them that. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about this. It's clear that you're not actually showing evidence, but you're just misinterpreting what JynX actually said for the sake of one tiny typo. It's completely unreal, and I'm not making a stupid joke with that line.
I have no idea what you mean by "insulting other matters". I really don't. I really don't understand how you people can keep telling me I'm making myself look bad when you are literally lying to my face many times over. Yeah, it's your wiki, run it how you want, but you really need to be honest too. Next you're gonna accuse me of trolling or whatever. Nope, not having it. I'm making myself as clear as possible, but I also read you guys loud and clear, so it's obviously not a problem on my end.
Let me try this again: your "evidence" doesn't hold up. You're clearly misunderstanding the difference between アクセル and アクセラレーター, and you're clearly misunderstanding your own interview. It's really uncomfortable to see people misunderstand these two things so fundamentally, like it's some esoteric knowledge, especially when that group includes the people who run this thing. I really and truly do not know how to make myself any clearer, and I'm really frustrated that you're getting needlessly angry at me for getting rightfully angry at you.
By the way, you'll notice I haven't touched either article since this talk section started; I don't play that way. I'm not here to "edit war" (what an idiotic concept), I'm just here to fix typos. I thought I had it explained pretty well with the edit summaries, but I guess not. Also I made some prose edits, but I don't think you'll let me have those back.
It's just a typo, it's not a big deal. I'm not concerned about the typo existing! I'm concerned about your crazy behavior over a typo. Please, just fix it. 45.36.236.209 22:16, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

wow, oof, what did I miss yesterday. ok. Anon being blocked is a pretty good sign of the discussion being "over," but... I'd still like to add what I can, I guess?
Up until today, I'd also been under the impression that shortening it to "accel" was common in English, and in fact had been intending to change it at some point the exact same way Anon did. Seeing this discussion and looking up the terms more thoroughly, however, has shown me that it's apparently, indeed, not as common as I thought. Specifically:

So, I now agree with Tony and Doppelotter's comments at the top of the thread.

I feel like Tony/Doppel/Pop/etc. could've done a somewhat better job of explaining their sources and position, so I hope the above stuff helps Anon see what they were getting at...? But at the same time, I also believe that Anon was being unnecessarily inflammatory about the whole thing. We're nowhere near Actual Dire Issues or anything here; nobody on either side needs to get so dramatic about this one word in an anime shoot-shoot game. Gilde (talk) 05:36, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit: I was also under the same impression as Anon regarding JynX's interview response: that since "accel" was commonly used in English, JynX's "Acceleratorのアクセルです" response was actually them saying "it's Accel as in Accelerator", but was misinterpreted as flat-out "it's Accelerator" due to assumptions made by the question-asker. I can see where Anon was coming from there, because I do vaguely remember this kind of misinterpretation happening at... uh, some point or another...? But that's not what actually happened in this case. So.) Gilde (talk) 05:38, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
At this point, pretty much the only thing that could be done to resolve this is ask JynX directly, and that's not something I'm terribly keen on doing. Not only is getting him involved to clear up a petty squabble like this overkill at best, he's also been showing up on Twitter maybe twice a month these days, and if he does, he never responds to anything I'm asking him. Dunno if he just doesn't see it or if he's flat-out ignoring me at this point, but either way, I doubt we'd be getting much of an answer this way.
Back on the topic, are you just saying we could have done a better job of explaining our sources and position for the sake of having a point against us so you can be the reasonable middle man? Because I sure as shit don't see how we could have possibly made our point any clearer and more concise. On top of that, at least we cited sources. They didn't. They just said crap like "oh, but it's totally used that way in common speech, you guys!!!1". Now, I'm no native English speaker, but I consider myself well-versed-enough that, if such a shorthand existed for "accelerator", chances are I'd know about it. The fact that not only they refused to cite any sources, but you also couldn't find anything, just goes to show they were talking out of their ass for the sake of having an argument. (Not to mention it kind of sends mixed messages when you're repeatedly insisting an issue isn't a big deal to you while you're writing literal text walls about said issue while at the same time insulting the Len'en fandom as a whole just because you can...) ――Popfan (talk/contribs) 06:00, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I mean, it already looks pretty resolved. "Prismic Accelerator" is A-OK.
Also, I... sorry? I wasn't trying to "get a point against you" or "be the reasonable middle-man" or, whatever. I agree with everything you said to the guy about this. Like, 100% on your side here; you all were right and the anon was being a massive dick. I'm sorry for not making that more clear.
"Could've done a better job" was really, really thoughtless wording on my part, now that I look at it again. My thought process was like-- "oh, anon was going on about how ~actually~ the JP says ~this~ (when it doesn't), the others addressed the EN part real thoroughly already, if I put in something rebutting anon re:the JP part too I'll be helping out". I'm sorry for making it sound like you screwed up somehow, because you didn't. "At the same time" was also an awful way of putting it-- I'd meant to put, like, "regardless" but missed it while fiddling with the wording in several places-- and the "on either side" part at the end was completely unnecessary. I should've looked closer at who was actually saying what.
It was absolutely not my intention to make it seem like some kind of "but boooth siiiides" BS (even though that's what I ended up doing). You were explaining your points fine-- and even if you hadn't, it wouldn't justify the anon's ridiculously out-of-line behaviour. Again, sorry.
& @ everything from "On top of that" onward: Yes agreed ---Gilde (talk) 08:16, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi. This is still an issue.

JynX did not explicitly confirm anything. They were given a choice between "Accelerator" and "Axel", in Latin letters, and seeing as アクセル is short for "accelerator", JynX logically picked that and even wrote it in Latin letters. This simply isn't something that would concern most Japanese, and the times that Japan actually does use one or the other are usually respected. That's the key to all of this. Also because of that, this isn't something you can just ask JynX about, because whatever they intended is already written in print. I am not insulting JynX's intelligence, or saying anything about their character, when I state any of this.

I stand by everything else. People being perfectly willing to put actual memes into the translation like "snek", but also perfectly willing to take someone to task over this accel/accelerator thing, crossed a line. Accusing me of insulting JynX's intelligence crossed a line. Continually stating that you have evidence, even when your evidence doesn't actually have anything to do with the topic, crossed a line. I was then and I am still now more concerned about this reaction on your part, but the accel/accelerator thing is still an issue. I was insulted first, and I got frustrated because of those insults.

"accel" is not wasei-eigo, it's just a shorthand. If anything, it's garaigo, a word that is simply imported into Japanese in place of existing words; English does this all the time. What English speakers find "strange" is not relevant; that is a gut feeling, not a statement on the validity of anything. I never said that "アクセル" was a translation of "accel", because that doesn't even make sense; "アクセル" is not even a translation, but the same word written in another character set. This is something that all too many anime fans find hard to understand, and it is in everyone's best interest to get away from that kind of thinking.

I don't know how I can be any more civil but direct than this. I am not stating an opinion or a suggestion, but a very basic fact and a typographical error that should be fixed as simply as it came to exist, like any other typographical error. 45.36.236.209 03:16, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Since I've done quite a bit of work on the music pages, I thought I'd contribute to this debate, too. Most of the things I wanted to say have been covered by other users above, though... Overall, I support "Prismic Accelerator". I've taken this stance because 'accel' means something completely different in English. As noted above, it's either a shortened form of the musical term accelerando or short for 'acceleration.' Neither usage corresponds to how アクセル is understood in Japanese. When we say 'Prismic Accel' we are not respecting the title's underlying meaning, and are instead corrupting it and changing it into something else. The fact that JynX specifically confirms that アクセル is short for 'accelerator' makes our jobs as translators that much easier: we can translate the title in a way that preserves the meaning of the original and removes any ambiguities. Regardless of how obvious it may be to a Japanese speaker that アクセル is short for accelerator, it isn't as obvious for English speakers, which is why that was an issue in the first place.
Katakana words are always difficult to interpret, and from experience a literal translation is fraught with pitfalls. As an example, have a look at the Japanese loanword バイク. It can be used in the following sentence: バイクで学校に行く. If we follow your logic and translate the sentence without observing the context of the katakana word, we get "I ride my bike to school." You might think the person speaking is a primary or early secondary school student. However, you'd be wrong in that assumption, as the katakana word バイク specifically refers to a motorbike. Therefore, when translating this sentence in isolation, it should be translated as "I ride my motorbike to school." Though モーターバイク can also be used to say 'motorbike,' this does not dispel the doubts that would come from translating バイク to 'bike.'
Your suggestion to keep アクセル as 'accel' to maintain the contracted nature of the original, therefore, is unhelpful. You are seeking to create a new contraction that does not exist in English, and making too many logical leaps in the process. I had a similar discussion with someone on the Touhou Wiki regarding the need to translate バックダンサーズ as 'backup dancers' rather than 'back dancers.' My stance regarding the dangers of indiscriminately porting Japanese contractions to English has not changed since then. Releska (talk) 23:57, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
In addition, I'd like to point out that, though it may not be explicitly stated (but it is reflected in our main translators' translation practices), we strive for translations that sound as natural as possible, so we prefer to deviate from literal translations if they were to not sound like something a native English speaker could say without getting a few weird looks. Case in point, no English speaker says "accel" as a shorthand for "accelerator", nor do they say "remocon" as a shorthand for "remote control", or "DraQue" for "Dragon Quest", or "St" for "Street Fighter". I frankly see no integrity to retain in directly translating the contracted forms of loanwords.
P.S.: Please get with the times already. You're still bringing up "snek" as if it's a valid argument against our practices when it had been disputed and ultimately discarded before you even brought it up the first time. ――Popfan (talk/contribs) 00:15, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
I appreciate the reasonable reply, thank you Releska.
I'm concerned about this statement that "accel" is exclusively shorthand for this foreign "accelerando" word. Much like how people keep stating that they've never heard "accel" as a shorthand for "accelerator" in English, I have never heard this musical term in my entire life, in any field for any reason. The difference is that while there exist things like a racing parts group and a major startup investor both called Accel (both very valid uses of a shorthand that's supposed to be short for "accelerate"/"accelerator"), there is no reason to believe that actual English speakers use "accelerando" or anything to do with it outside of some very private spheres. I also restate that the use of "accel" in Japanese works is generally accepted, as many localizations refuse to touch the shorthand and leave it as is. This isn't much more relevant than worrying about gut feelings, but it's there. (addendum: actually just Google "accel" period, it's awesome what you get)
The rest of your comment talks about the belief that English speakers would be confused by the use of "accel", and I can only repeat the above to that. It is a gut feeling at best, and it is also one that is unfounded. You also confuse a wasei-eigo like "bike" (which is arguably not even that) with a clear garaigo like "accel"; "アクセル" is not a translation of anything, and turning it back into "accel" is not a translation of anything. I cannot state enough how extremely important this is. "accel" is also not a contraction. Contractions concern multiple words being shortened into one. You may shout "semantics!", but in a discussion about words, it's in anyone's best interest to use the right words in the right place.
There is also a minor argument to be made about disambiguation in a title that uses "アクセル" but also "accel". For example, this specific song title does not give us any indication that it's "accelerator" or "acceleration", both of which are perfectly valid here; in fact, "Prismatic Acceleration" could potentially be the correct choice depending on what exactly the song title as a whole is referring to. Again, JynX's statement is not so helpful here, actually less helpful because the answer to this question would require a good understanding of multiple English words and a fluent Japanese/English speaker who's willing to be very careful about explaining them. Thats a lot of ado about something minor that can easily be solved by just putting "accel", because you run the risk of being wrong if you proceed in either direction with no clear way to figure out whether you were right. The same goes for the aforementioned racing parts manufacturer and the investor; it's just not a big enough deal to do this kind of disambiguation in most cases.
I'm not sure about this backup dancers thing. This is about that song in the newer Touhou game, right? I did some small research on that term... it appears to be both a wasei-eigo, in that the structure of the word is different, and a garaigo, in that the meaning is identical. This is not like "バイク" where the absolute vast majority of its usage is for motorcycles (unless you pair it with another term, such as "ロードバイク"). I personally would not get involved in that discussion, because I have no idea what I would be arguing for. "accel" is something very different, as I've explained.
Regarding Popfan's comment, I cover that exact sentiment above; it doesn't really work out in practice. None of your strange contractions have anything to do with this topic, never mind that at least some are used extensively anyway depending on advertising (Famicom). "accel" is not a contraction in any language, nor is it wasei-eigo, and as established above it is a perfectly acceptable shorthand in English, whether it's in a dictionary or not. Never mind that Wiktionary took it upon themselves to add the "colloquial shorthand for acceleration" bit, and that they even use "accel" as a shorthand for a documentation page (WT:ACCEL). I'm not so sure the "this isn't used in English" argument is very good anymore.
Lastly, bringing up "snek" is not meant to be an argument about the topic itself, it's supposed to raise the question of exactly what you're trying to argue here (although some might call that part of the topic anyway). It does that very well, and there is no need to act like it means nothing. I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't have stayed if multiple parties didn't support the original removal, never mind that this translation is always so dangerously close to dipping into the meme bag as it is. 45.36.236.209 00:43, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
weblio article japanese ESL institute's blog another japanese ESL institute's blog (plus a bunch of more casual blog articles and such)
Even the most cursory of searches for "アクセル 和製英語", "アクセル 外来語", "アクセル 英語圏" etc. brings up page after page in this vein, all flat-out saying 「アクセルは和製英語」「accelerator pedal（加速用ペダル）を省略したもの」「英語圏では通じません」, and so on. Searches for "accel" in English either bring up tech startup companies, usage of the word as an abbreviation in engineering shorthand (ie. relatively private spheres, heyo) or anime fan wikis. Absolutely no actual examples of its use as a casual, colloquial term for "accelerator". Care to provide any, though? Gilde (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
There are two clear meanings of this word: a shorthand for "accelerate" and all of its forms, and this "accelerando" thing (which are derived from the same thing anyway). There's no special third meaning we can look at, not even a person's name (I checked for that too). Yes, obviously, a Japanese dictionary is going to write the full intended term... so would an English dictionary on "accel", if it wasn't largely a colloquial use (like so many English words!).
Therefore, all of those are pretty obviously shorthands for accelerator or acceleration, as you can go for page after page in Google and totally fail to find any sort of music-related link. Meanwhile... a startup investor and a racing parts brand? Oh, and I even found some small Texas muscle car business while I was at it. Numerous minor examples all over the internet in numerous areas as a shorthand for acceleration/accelerator (see the Wiktionary examples above), even if some are technical definitions (there are a lot of those too!)? Obviously, every single one of those mentions on a fansite for a Japanese work? It also just makes sense to use "accel" as a shorthand, period. There are tons and tons and tons of classic abbreviations in English like this, such as, uh, gas for gasoline.
Meanwhile, you will not find a single other example of this "accelerando" term except in printed dictionaries. Trust me, I looked! You're free to look for yourself. It's funny, unlike "アクセル", we don't have some weird disambiguation between "axel" and "accel" to worry about. Instead, we have people insisting on a definition that's basically never used over a colloquial definition that seems to be everywhere. I mean I don't get it, you're staring all of these colloquial usages in the face and you're saying "nope, these aren't colloquial because they don't literally spell it out". 45.36.236.209 17:11, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

A conclusion has already been made a long time ago for it to be "accelerator", therefore I'm officially closing this discussion. Anon here is still going round in circles with their argument, and it's still not getting them anywhere in support. People like Gilde, Popfan, Releska and Doppelotter have done good in providing strong reason for "accelerator". It's clear anon wasn't taking in people's evidence with thorough consideration to have second thoughts on the matter. Therefore, any further comments against "accelerator" shall be ignored. "Accel" is not a common shorthand of "accelerator" in English, no matter what perspective you look at it. Full stop. This never should've been an issue to start with, looking back to JynX's answer in the first interview. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 18:31, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Various References and Mistranslations[edit source]

"Though the Way Home Is Lost ~ KEEP IN" "a certain other song" is "Toryanse", a Japanese folk song. "that other song" is not clear, but I think it's "Cinderella Cage ~ Kagome-Kagome" from Touhou 8, also referencing another Japanese folk song.

"Lick the Bran to Reach the Rice ~ What's the matter?" The song JynX singing in the comment is possibly "Nausicaa's Requiem" from Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind.

Mistranslation at "A Single Glimmer" "Well if you really try for it on Easy Mode, it could be pretty fun. (Probably)": it was not "fun" in original text, it was "easy".

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