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Flower Gauge, Tasouken Requirements

On your edit to the EMS gameplay page: In one of my playthroughs, I had less than full petals and got to face Tasouken anyway, noticing that the amount of lives I got was the same as the amount of petals. I do believe I got a replay of that, too. Perhaps this requires further investigation, though. And maybe I'll ask JynX, too. --Popfan (talk) 21:34, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

I haven't heard any confirmation yet as to whether or not full petals are required, so I replaced it with what was common knowledge. Most people seem to believe that getting to Tasouken with less than max petals is a bug, so if there was confirmation otherwise, that'd be fantastic. Auralis (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

As of writing this response, I haven't got a reply from JynX himself yet. However, someone else joined the conversation, suggesting you only need a minimum of 3 petals. Sounds just about reasonable, but I'll take it with a grain of salt and wait for JynX to reply. --Popfan (talk) 09:29, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

And JynX has replied! Translation: "To encounter the hidden boss, you'll need at least 3 petals~ But if you have a lot of petals, you get more lives."

Which is exactly what I thought. The "more petals = more lives" part, that is. Anyway, now editing the gameplay page with that newfound knowledge. --Popfan (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Lumen's Naming Order

Just to prove that Lumen's first name really is Lumen, see here. The column that shows the name of the character speaking reads "Lumen" for Lumen instead of "Celeritas". Furthermore, in the line "僕ルーメン！　凄いヒトですよ！", they refer to themselves as Lumen. If their first name were indeed Celeritas, that line would read "僕ケレリタス！　凄いヒトですよ！" Lumen is currently the only Mugenri resident with a fully Western name, so it would appear that JynX chose to go with a Japanese naming order. I can ask him if you want, though. --Popfan (talk) 13:58, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I suppose I understand your argument here, but for one, the naming convention you keep reverting is used across the entire wiki. Secondly, Lumen is their preferred name: it's more reasonable to refer to them as simply that, since Celeritas is a long and unorthodox name. There are plenty of people out there who choose to go by names other than their first (usually their middle name).

In all cases where their full name is referenced, it is written as ケレリタス・ルーメン, or "Celeritas Lumen", in that very order. It's spelled as such in the character titles before fights shown in both EMS and BPoHC, and it is likewise spelled as such in their character profiles, and in BPoHC's untranslated name graphics (see spell practice). The fact that it's spelled as "Celeritas Lumen" consistently should cement the fact that it's the official spelling, and that switching the order is completely frivolous.

If you so insist, you can ask JynX about it, but I believe they will give you the same answer, that it's spelled the way the kana says it is. Auralis (talk) 22:49, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Addendum: please note the presence of the "・" character in Lumen's name. This is a character used exclusively in foreign names and terms to indicate where the next word starts. The presence of this character in their name indicates that it could only possibly be in Western order, so the idea that it's in Japanese order against the presence of this is a rather silly one. The only other person with kana characters in their name, Medias Moritake, lacks the "・" character in their name, because their name (as it is written) is indeed already in Japanese order. Auralis (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I see that you're unfettered by my arguments, though I do recall having come across a Western name written in Japanese naming order quite some time ago. Just because the name is Western (as indicated by the ・ between names), I feel that it doesn't automatically mean that the name uses Western naming order. After all, JynX is known to give certain conventions his own spin, so just because one thing is the norm, it doesn't mean he adheres to it. That said, I did send him a tweet so he could clear things up. I'll let you know when he replies and what he said so we can bring this to an end as soon as possible. --Popfan (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I got my confirmation! JynX says the following: "'Lumen' is the first name~ I'm using Japanese naming order. But I guess it's an inherently weird name. (lol)" So you see, the name would be Lumen Celeritas in Western naming order, just as I suspected. --Popfan (talk) 11:07, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

P.S.: "The only other person with kana characters in their name, Medias Moritake, lacks the "・" character in their name, because their name (as it is written) is indeed already in Japanese order." Auralis (talk) 23:03, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Minor nitpick, but Medias is not the only character with a Japanese last name and a first name in katakana. Sese Kitsugai would fit the description as well, given how "sese" is a Latin word. (One might argue it's not their real name, but we have nothing else to go on so far, and a name is still a name.) Though I do concede that it was a trivial thing for me to bring up, as it doesn't bring any new arguments to the table. Anyway, do you suppose the tweet I linked you to would qualify as a reference to the nature of Lumen's name? --Popfan (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I would, as it's directly answered by JynX. I must say though, it seems veeery weird indeed to use katakana for western names, use a middle dot and have the name in Japanese naming order. Since the twitter response clarifies that 'Lumen Celeritas' would be the western name order, I shall go though the wiki and change 'Celeritas Lumen' back to 'Lumen Celeritas' (along with explaining this on Lumen's name section). It was originally on Lumen's talk page that 'Celeritas Lumen' would've been western. ― Tony64 ^(Talk/Con.) 14:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

To me, having a Western name written in katakana with ・ and Japanese naming order is not entirely unheard of to me, but try as I might, I can't find any instances other than Lumen's name where that is applied, let alone customary. I'll let you guys know when I do find something, though. --Popfan (talk) 15:57, 5 July 2015 (UTC)