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Regarding downtimes[edit source]

I have no idea why this is happening. Every-so-often, 502 (or 503) errors will occur, and it's apparently happening to all of ShoutWiki, and it's been happening for about a week. If it continues, then I'll ask the staff if they know anything about it. Apologies to everyone for the inconvenience! Especially when there's a limited poll going on. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 22:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

In case you're not aware, after feedback from staff, the issue regarding this should've been fixed (Check this Facebook link). ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:20, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm probably not the only one that's noticed, but downtimes are back with a vengeance. Would be cool if someone (coughcoughtonycough) could ask about it on Shoutwiki. --Popfan (talk) 22:28, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

EMS: Lumen's theme[edit source]

Moved to Talk:Lumen Celeritas.

An IRC?[edit source]

So, I've been thinking about having an IRC for this wiki. However, I know next to nothing as to how to set one up. If there's anyone who knows how to, please contribute :) ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 10:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

If we need something like the one touhouwiki has, I think it might be better and faster to ask people there (about having operators and channel owner, maintenance etc). For now, we could make a "semi-official" one just by connecting preferable server (for example, like touhouwiki uses, or which is the largest (?) IRC server) and trying to join non-existing channel. And preferable to register your nicknames so you could use password-oriented authorization to prevent other people from taking your nickname while you're offline. Necrotek (talk) 12:34, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Veeeeeeeeeery late to say this, but I should clarify. Discord, as you see on the sidebar, will be used for communication. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:42, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Spell Card Notes?[edit source]

It's not that major but, I've realized that only a few of the spell cards have notes, despite having so much more notes in their own "Stage X spell card" section. I'm not sure if we should add them all or leave them out as all of Tenkai's spell notes got transferred. So should we add those or just leave it like that? Koish (talk) 04:59, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

I feel that they should be added to the list, too, to bring everything in alignment. Auralis (talk) 22:31, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

apostrophe[edit source]

My only question: why an apostrophe? I understand that it is sometimes used for certain romanized Japanese phrases, to somehow make the pronunciation of terms like "lenen" more clear. However, it is infrequently used (and, thus, seemingly arbitrary when it is used), and it goes against the entire "syllable" nature of Japanese. It should at least be "le'n'en" to make it as clear as possible (which is silly), but at the same time this nature allows "le'nen" to be in no less inaccurate than "len'en", regardless of which sounds are coming from where. Finally, I'm pretty sure JynX only used it the grand total of once that they did for Googling purposes (and of course, since they talk to you, they'd use the term you know; creators do this more than they should, and it's just as wrong); if there's a much older usage of it, I'd like to see it.

In the end, it both just looks wrong and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. One of the few cases I can think of where it really works are names like Chang'e. Good luck finding any term in Japanese that's like that! Speaking of which, even the Japanese form of Chang'e defies this... 11:29, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say, but I'll try to answer. The explanation to using "Len'en" with its apostrophe is on the Len'en Project page. It wouldn't make it clearer if we used "Le'n'en" or "Le'nen"; it would actually make the romaji worse and inconsistent because and are romanised as 'len' and 'en' respectively. As such, the way "Len'en" is romanised is indeed based on the system of romanisation and it should, in reality, be more frequently used. It is not entirely incorrect if it was written as "lenen"; it just becomes more ambiguous. Also, whatever JynX uses, we use, since he's the official creator. If he is influenced by the way we write stuff and starts using what we write instead, then that's entirely up to him. Additionally, it's JynX's personal preference that we use 'L' over 'R', as shown on the name of the games' files.
As a note, use Google translate as little as possible, because that's a machine translator that's never 100% reliable. I'm not too sure what you were trying to suggest with "tubakurame". Chang'e is somewhat a different subject to this because it's from Chinese. However, they too would use an apostrophe for the same reason in Japanese romaji since "Change" wouldn't look too good. In comparison, the way "Len'en" is romanised is just as correct as "Chang'e". From what I know, I don't think that there is an older usage; it's always been "Len'en" since the series's initial release. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 12:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
thanks a lot, now i have to use the stupid apostrophe for the rest of my days 06:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
Is that really much trouble? What kind of keyboard are you using? Fluffy8x (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Missing 'the'?[edit source]

We've got it as 'Welcome to Len'en Wiki!' but for some reason I just can't help but think that there's a missing definite article, or 'the'. If you're from Northern England like I am, this would look 100% fine as we usually don't say 'the', but that's a story for another day. The phrase is based on Touhou Wiki's 'Welcome to Touhou Wiki!'. Should it be 'Welcome to the Len'en Wiki!'? Could someone clarify this if you can? ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:04, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

If you ask me, it sounds better with a "the". The only reason not to put one there (aside from differences between dialects) would be if "Len'en Wiki" were a proper name... which I guess it kind of is, but personally, I tend to preface wikis with a "the" when talking about them. --Popfan (talk) 19:57, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Russian Len'en Wiki[edit source]

I've just discovered that there is a Russian Len'en Wiki on Shoutwiki. Does anyone know about this? Maybe we can link to them, although there hasn't been any recent activity over there. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 20:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Hm, can't find any leads to it so it's hard to say about possible activity. Anyway, it's empty right now so no point to link. Maybe later if/when it starts to fill up? Necrotek (talk) 05:44, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
That makes me think, what about the opportunity of turning the Len'en Wiki multilanguage?
I'm not sure if ShoutWiki allows such things to be performed, but I think this would be a nice touch so more people can get to know about Len'en (I assume most of us are foreigners... Or are we?) Rando (talk) 18:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
It would require at least several people (or one VERY dedicated person) to be filling/supporting wiki in one language for a long time, otherwise it will be half-baked result (it's depressing to see unfinished abandoned work). Necrotek (talk) 21:59, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. I'm the only German Len'en fan that I'm aware of, and I could not see myself working on a German version of the wiki all by myself, not to mention that not every language might have gender-neutral pronouns the way English does. (I think someone did invent some for German, but they just don't flow that well.) --Popfan (talk) 23:46, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Spam[edit source]

Okay, I think most of us have already noticed at this point that we got a spammer. I took a moment to investigate it and as much google helps, our spammy friend is very likely to be a bot who doesn't give a sheet to whatever we try to do to prevent vandalism. So, should we give it a try to utilize some anti-spam mechanics? According to Shoutwiki's help page, there are some means, like hidden fields, or word blacklist, or captcha (if it gets too bad). Shall we? Necrotek (talk) 06:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Judging by the change log, you're not blocking the IP addresses of the spammer(s), but seeing as it's a different one every time, it might not help much. However, I noticed that two of the IP addresses start with 117, so perhaps we could block that range of IPs. I can, of course, see how that'd be a bad idea in regards to people from that area who genuinely want to register an account and contribute to the wiki... --Popfan (talk) 13:16, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Actually, none of suggested means are related to IP banning (it's useless to use IPs in this case). Necrotek (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
For now, let's protect the affected page. Fluffy8x (talk) 18:25, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
I went ahead and protected the page. I'm getting quite peed off about this, so I'm in full support to implement some sort of captcha system to reduce future vandalisms. Are there any further opinions? ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 23:56, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
In one sense, I think captcha is the last resort because it will affect normal users, I'd try enabling hidden fields first and see how well it will work against bots. On the other hand, it's not like we have hundreds of changes every day so probably it shouldn't be a big deal to enter captcha from time to time. Necrotek (talk) 08:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Japanese Len'en Wiki[edit source]

The other day, I found a Japanese wiki. It's rather young (created last November) and also pretty barren as a result, but they did link to this wiki on the front page with the description "A wiki managed by volunteers from outside of Japan. It has a lot of content, so if you can understand English, you won't need this Japanese wiki." As I recall, there was talk about a Russian wiki, as well, so why don't we give links to both on this wiki? Here's the Japanese wiki. --Popfan (talk) 09:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it doesn't hurt to add them at this point, it might stimulate them to extend. Necrotek (talk) 09:39, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I also think this is a good idea. In terms of interlinking with them for each page like they do on Wikipedia, I'm a bit sceptical. The wiki doesn't seem to use a wiki format like we do (as suggested by the URL of different pages), so adding [[jp:連縁天影戦記]] or something similar at the bottom of the BPoHC article may not work. Have a look here to what I mean. However, we can always add the main page link onto the sidebar of this wiki. I'll also go ahead and ask ShoutWiki if they can add an interwiki link to the Russian wiki for us. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 21:11, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Information Removed?[edit source]

I've noticed that the other day user has removed a lot of information from various articles. Is any of that information not valid for this wiki? If not, then I'll need to look into this further. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 23:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Changing the Len'en navbox[edit source]

Soon, I am thinking of separating the Len'en navigation box we've currently got, i.e. having specific navboxes for characters, locations, species, etc., rather than having all possible links on this wiki under one navbox, like on the Touhou Wiki. Has anyone got an opinion on this? ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 23:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Interwiki Forwarding[edit source]

Can you turn on Forwarding flag here with Touhou Wiki, please. I guess this is how we can make links like thwiki:ru:JunX work (or is it flag on thwiki? Why not to turn on either.) --UnKnwn (talk) 08:11, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

A Steward can't change the interwiki, but I've sent an e-mail to ShoutWiki staff about this. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 16:36, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

Translation of "Len'en"[edit source]

Proposing a change to the translation of the series title. We currently use "Connecting Chain", but the title track of EE gives us "Chain Link", which is totally just as good and is basically official. The name of the title track clearly refers to the title of the game and series. 22:16, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Devanagara[edit source]

What's the relationships between "the Imperial City" and "Devanagara"? When I came up with this question , my friends suggest that the former is a country and the latter is it's capital. But according to Shrine Team"s dialogue,Goefu police the Imperial City. How can it police a whole country? And in New Emperor Team's dialogue,Fumikado said "All right then. The capital's just up ahead." and "The imperial capital... Devanagara..." which just make things more confusing. The wiki seems to believe that the Imperial City is Devanagara , but why did JynX use two different names to call the same place? I just can't make sense of it.
P.S. I'm an Chinese Len'en fans, sorry for my poor English.

It does seem like Devanagara is both the country and the capital city right now. A possible explanation is that Devanagara is a city-state, although there's no proof for this and Devanagara is much larger than any city-state nowadays.
("Imperial City/Capital" 譯自日文「帝都」,即「帝國的首都」,所以不會指國家喲。現時,Devanagara的確同時被用來指國家以及首都。雖然不能說定,但Devanagara有可能是一座城邦,亦即是說它既是國家又是城市,然而Devanagara卻比所有現存城邦大得多。) --(-O-) (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Potential Migration[edit source]

For those not aware with what's happening on the UWoM Discord server, there are talks about the possibilitiy that we should migrate the wiki to be hosted elsewhere. While I've enjoy using Shoutwiki throughout the years, some of its faults are brought up on why we should consider moving. Because of this, I decided to open up the topic here to discuss further on how we should handle this.

If you have any opinions on supporting, or even opposing, why we should migrate to a new hosting site, please contribute and leave a comment below. ― Tony64 (Talk/Con.) 11:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

It is a hard agree for me, I've been pushing for this since the end of may. As it stands right now, Shoutwiki is not reliable and outdated. Being http and not https is not viable for 2023, as that alone can turn away people from it, and it just randomly not working at times for years is just unacceptable. Another issue is that it takes a while for edits to go through for non logged in users, which is a problem for the people who want to read yike's stream summaries on the wiki. It also randomly logs me out at times even tho I checked "stay signed in" R8Spike (talk) 11:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
While I'm content either way, I'm gonna cast my vote towards yes simply because of the problems others have had with shoutwiki (as mentioned above by R8Spike.) I think we'd generally be better off with a migration. Crim404 (talk) 02:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm all for the wiki migration, preferably to someplace that works more often like Miraheze, although I may be biased because I've had experience with that site. TrumpetZorua (talk) 04:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
(Agree) Yeah, ShoutWiki is kind of a mess at this point. Kurzov (talk) 21:38, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
(Agree) As long as it'll lead to me having less gateway errors, then it's fine by me :thumbs_up:. There are two concerns that I have though. The first one is pretty selfish, but I feel it needs to be said is that I hope the new replacement will be accessible to russian (and maybe belarus from what I've heard) fanbase without the use of VPN. From what I've seen, the russian Len'en fanbase is quite big and they use this wiki a lot; so it would be pretty inconvenient to being forced to use VPN every time you need to do a fact check or two on the new wiki (not to mention the varying qualities of VPN services)- so I would appreciate an alternative that didn't block itself due to "you-know-what" circumstances (such as "wikidot" that isn't available in Russia and Belarus anymore despite me only hearing about it ONCE). Another concern is the ad problem. While I don't experience it to much extent (again, due to "you-know-what"), it is a concern that made some wikis migrate from "FANDOM" due to how egregious its ad problem (which even I experienced and felt deeply inconvenienced by). I checked out the "Miraheze" alternative as suggested by TrumpetZorua and it looks so far so good, as it eliminates two of the concerns I had, that being available in Russia and being ad-free. Overall, besides these two concerns, R8Spike has brought up the great points as to why migration is desired which I 250% agree with, it being HTTP is a big issue RT GYPHON (talk) 06:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)
Yeah I definitely agree. I'd rather move while we're in "site just doesn't work sometimes, it's normal" territory, before we get to "this wiki host is going to shut down soon isn't it?" MagicalMelancholy (talk)